Watching the debate

Well, almost a half hour into it and it’s all “Gotcha!”, directed at Obama, so far. Assuming that you have to figure that they’ll spend some time on Clinton, too. Issues? Maybe there’ll be some time at the end.

Update: Left the room and now they’re hitting Clinton with Bosnia.In

Obama taking the extreme high road here. After Clinton piled on a bit regarding Wright and Bitterness, Obama refuses to go there tonight on Bosnia. Seems to be begging for questions about issues.

OMFG! Inquisition on Obama’s position on….the flag! And the famous lapel pin or lack thereof.

Now it’s a question about Ayers. This is a real bad night for the issues. Clinton is pressing the “relationship” with Ayers. She clearly doesn’t know where the high road is at all. Updated to say I’m really disgusted with ABC and, very sadly, Hillary Clinton.

8:53 – A question about Iraq. Only one hour into the debate and there’s a question on an actual issue.

Taxes, now. It doesn’t make for dramatic TV, because the disagreements here are pretty small. Each candidate is making a case for how they’d do things. Either set of policies would be such an improvement if only they could actually happen. That’s the tricky part, of course.

9:25 – Guns! Bang, bang.

Question to both: As president how might you use George W. Bush’s experience?

Both tried to be somewhat diplomatic. Clinton says that one will take careful thought. Obama says he’d be more likely to take advice from H.W. I was hoping one would say, “As an example and a warning to others. ” This would be more effective, of course, if Dubya could spend his retirement in Leavenworth. Ah, if only…

Debate over. I think that this was more of a plus for Clinton, but only because it was one of her best appearances lately. She looked and sounded crisper and more composed than she has out on the campaign trail in recent days. Obama, on the other hand, has been just fine out on the campaign trail and didn’t bring anything much special to this one. Also, if the media were being kinder to him than Clinton in the past, that certainly wasn’t happening tonight. They hit him with the kitchen sink, in fact.

I doubt it changes many minds at this late date in any case. It wouldn’t have changed mine if I hadn’t already voted, anyway.


6 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by osage1 on April 16, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    We hear what the candidates are saying what they want to do as president, but never say anything on how they will succeed in getting things done for the American people.
    The American people are not stupid and we the people know that to achieve the goals in Washington they have to consider the Congress and Senate before any new health care, and other programs. I would really like to here more on how they will achieve the peoples requests and needs.


  2. Well, that’s always been the hard part, of course. When there’s real consensus there’s more of a shot.


  3. Posted by raford on April 17, 2008 at 1:11 am

    Zen, I agree with your assessment of the debate. The first half was so painful in that it dealt with no real issues that I started to feel sorry for George and Charlie.

    But I imagine that right now, they’re off in some bar doing shots of Crown Royal and congratulating each other for being so wonderful.


  4. Posted by thatsrightnate on April 17, 2008 at 11:37 am

    I think Gibson definitely won the debate. What I think seperates himself from most moderators is the way he inserts his opinion into his questions to give the view context. He really hammered Obama when he mentioned that cutting taxes on the rich helped the economy before Obama could answer his question about taxes.


  5. really good post…thanks for coming over to Watergate Summer ( I left you a messege there- I always respond to readers)….How does one blog a bloody ambush ? I don’t know….it is hard to blog something like this- there is a loss of dignity- and ABC crossed lines last night- I have all Addresses and numbers updated- WE THE PEOPLE deserve much better- to think that we all watch these Debates because we KNOW and Care about the Issues…unreal…

    thanks again..


  6. raford, you’re just nicer than I am. I never for one second felt sorry for Gibson or Steph. Maybe sorry for the shame they’ve brought on their children, but not for them. God, did they suck!

    Nate, you’re right about one thing. Gibson certainly did try to make himself the star of the debate. I feel his next role should involve tar and feathers.

    enigma4ever, thank you so much for for coming by here. I appreciated your take on the debate a lot. I did e-mail ABC. Just adding to the throng, I know, but it’s good to know that their lines and servers were probably swamped.

    I’m still catching up with my blogroll after the move. Will link you up now.

    You know, hours later and I’m actually madder about the debate than I was at the time. Not getting over it.


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